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Can We Vote Out Corruption? Not (Im)Possible....

Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:26 AM EDT
politics, corruption, fraud, change, vote, virus, politicians, hackers, citizen, e-machine
By Citizen Kane-473667

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Do you trust the results of voting machine?

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  • 49028
    Yes
    14%
  • 49029
    No
    64%
  • 49030
    Sometimes
    23%

VoteTotal Votes: 22

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I believe we can effect change through the ballot box.

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  • 49031
    Yes
    43%
  • 49032
    No
    29%
  • 49033
    Maybe
    24%
  • 49034
    Only on non-reform issues.
    5%

VoteTotal Votes: 21

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When is the last time you read one of the columns here or on other Blog Sites that implied armed insurrection was not far from becoming reality? The definitions of "far" vary from months to lifetimes depending on who is doing the posting and some even feel that it is way over-due. Most agree that this bloodshed could be prevented if there were a way to curb the corruption that plagues our government from the local level all the way up to Congress and the White House. Examples are given by the very people who pledge to "serve" the public on an ongoing basis of how to allow greed to overrule the public trust. The recent arrests in New Jersey of town officials for corruption was such a success they had to load them on a bus. At least some money stolen from the public was recovered through the use of the bus instead of squad cars and their gasoline.

Many who have expressed the same dissatisfaction as some of the more so called extreme without the taste for revolutionary war have pointed to the ballot box as their prefer form of forcing reform. I must agree with them that this is the desired solution and is a right enjoyed in a Democratic Republic, which we are supposed to be, to rid ourselves of those who have proven unfit for their appointed positions by means of a simple majority vote. The problem with this system is the ensuring of legitimate voting meaning "one person, one vote". We are all very familiar with the stuffing of paper ballot boxes occurring during the ages gone by where certain unscrupulous individuals cast multiple ballots under fictitious names. Common voter fraud included dead people magically rising from the grave on election night to cast votes and even young children turning out in droves to vote with their invalid grandparents or parents accompanying them and putting in their votes as well. Those days are not gone (well maybe the stuffing of ballots on paper) as we are still being bombarded with allegations and convictions of those seeking to register fictitious voters. We are now using machines to vote instead of paper in order to combat voter fraud but just exactly how accurate are they? How secure are they? Can someone wishing to alter the outcome of an election do so by other means than just our usual run of the mill ghost votes? Well we can now.

A recent experiment by Princeton University managed to introduce a virus into an electronic voting machine commonly used by municipalities during the election process. It also shows that the virus can theoretically infect other machines count and thus render pre-programmed results as dictated by the one who introduces the virus.

http://itpolicy.princeton.edu/voting/

Even should a hacker decide he wants he wants George the Geek to be Governor he can make it happen as California proved by hiring them to hack its machines:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/28/VOTING.TMP&tsp=1

This study proved that machines can be tampered with after they have already been put to use. Of greater concern is the fact that these machines are wards of the very government you are attempting to limit through the voting process. These are the same people buying the machines to count the votes to be cast. The manufacturers of these machines have hugh contracts that make it in their best interest to please the customer; government. Combine this fact with the financial limitations imposed by the actual cost of running a campaign, you can see the difficulties inherent in forcing a change in government by way of electing fresh faces.

Also of great concern is the malfunctions that can and do occur. Florida has shown just how pathetic the accuracy of these machines are.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/13/us/politics/13voting.html?_r=2&hp&oref=slogin

http://www.floridafairelections.org/PressReleases/Invalid%20Votes%20Press%20Release.pdf

These are only a couple of examples of what is a very well known problem with these machines and their manufacturers. Combined with the lack of security, the chain of custody of the machines and the election results themselves leads me to ask how can anyone trust the Ballot Box to bring about the real reform in our Government it so desperately needs. It is not in the Governments interest to change its ways, to prevent influence peddling, to downsize, or to eliminate waste. Too much money exchanges hands in politics for any who are incumbent to seek to change things except for the rare few who have elected to serve for nobler sentiments than personal gain. They are the ones who are satisfied with what they already have and abhor those who abuse their power for profit. They are also few and far between.

My question to you dear readers is "Can we really trust the Ballot Box to bring the changes we seek in all levels of Government?". Maybe it is time we just got tote boards instead.

Mind the CoH when posting and please keep the party BS to a minimum.

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Citizen Kane-473667

Well I took my time and researched this a little more than usual and in the course of the investigation uncovered many more examples. I would love for everyone to post additional links to examples of e-voting scandals and voter registration fraud from your local sources. My goal is 100 verifiable reports from the mainstream media sources such as newspapers and TV stations as well as testing done by reputable organizations.

BTW I am serious about the CoH! Violations will be deleted as well as reported to admin!

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 1:35 AM EDT
jscusmc69

Good one again Citizen!!! How long and how many times do you think it will take to try and make the changes in DC we need to? Being from Chicago I learned at an early age the CHICAGO Demorats way---"Vote early Vote OFTEN"---They still buy votes and IF they can't buy them they CREATE them--I hope when I die I can still VOTE from the GREAT what ever!!

  • 3 votes
#1.1 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Don't worry in Chicago it is a tradition to vote from the grave!

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 7:08 PM EDT
Reply
Adrian Thorn

A master is a master regardless of whether or not you pick them.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:04 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Oh so true............. My collar is beginning to really itch. I am ready to remove it.

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:14 AM EDT
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blll

Term limits!

  • 8 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:16 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

Agree they are needed but I don't see it happening. The politicians like the status quo too much to do that.

  • 6 votes
#3.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 2:31 AM EDT
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PenniD

Good or bad, right now it is the only system we have. Any talk of armed revolution upsets me a great deal, as we have enough to work on without having to worry about shooting each other.

Having worked with computers for 30 years, I trust one about as much as my blender. Both are appliances, and I don't tend to trust them. What's wrong with the paper ballot program, with some serious oversight? One ballot, one person. Maybe even an oversight committee to recheck the first oversight committee. One thing we can be sure about, it is harder to get a group to keep a secret than a computer.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:02 AM EDT
DarthVSchw

In my state we still mark our ballots with a marker, and a computer basically tallies the dots it counts. I'm not sure how easily those can be hacked, but I'm sure they can.

Funny Penni "trust it about as much as my blender" At least you know the blender will blend just what's in there till the motor runs out. Killed mine trying to make daquiris. The things a computer can mix up are endless.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:17 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

PenniD

As stated at the onset of the article, armed revolt is the ultimate last resort. Many feel that we are approaching that point including our own government which is making contingency plans for just such an event. One of the few reasons this has not yet happened is because most people still believe we are the ones casting the vote which decides who will govern us. As you can see this is not necessarily the case from the evidence I posted. NO ONE wants armed conflict and I am beginning to believe that the only way to effect the change needed is through a very public petition drive. When we have 100's of millions of signatures on a document that says this is what we want then there will be no way for Congress to do anything other than what we demand. The same goes for local and state governments. This petition drive may be the only way to dispel the war clouds gathering on the horizon.

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:09 AM EDT
PenniD

Citizen, millions of signature on a petition. That is certainly a better solution than war. I'm sure something of that magnitude would get congress' attention, if not, well there is that other horrifying solution. Pray it never comes to that.

  • 4 votes
#4.3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT
jscusmc69

PenniD---I trust my blender more than ANY VOTING machine!!

Citizen YOU and PenniD are right----Clouds have been gathering for a long time now--I fear that with what I know about DC and what they are doing THEY---DC---will be the ones to trump up something to impose the Martial Law...... that-they are practicing for---FEMA's exercise last week in July.

There is a ray of hope in that maybe the Joint Chief's will act in accord with the Constitution in the event of Martial law---and I for one will say ---IF they don't they will NOT want to be in DC when the Crap hits the wall.

IMHO--I really think that OB and Clowns would ignore any petition--EVEN if IT had 200 MILLION on it----wait one--- WE could do like in Chicago---and as Obama and company have done ---INFLATE the figure to say 500 million!!LOLOL

Wonder if our FORE-FATHERS thought of --"How Horrifying" a war with the then greatest and most powerful military on the planet---ENGLAND!

I'm certain they did and I'm JUST as CERTAIN that those who fought and died BELIEVED in what they were doing.

Any WAR is hell and a horror----to many innocents always get hurt or killed----HOWEVER---I would ask this---"HOW many AMERICAN'S would/are willing to fight for our Country,Constitution,RIGHTS and way of life..... that THIS COUNTRY was founded on and for.

  • 3 votes
#4.4 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
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RuthyJObservations

Citizen Kane- Maybe letting the people get Purple fingers after they vote in person: then put their purple fingerprints on the paper ballot. That idea might work! hmmmn! GG

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:55 AM EDT
Citizen Kane-473667

The only problem is the corruption by using personally identifiable information on a ballot. This opens the door to vote buying and intimidation tactics. Face it, your fingerprint ensures the correct vote is cast in a lot more ways then one.

  • 4 votes
#5.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:01 AM EDT
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CesarFS

Small and limited government is the answer; to reduce if not eliminate corruption and, to vote for it, the people need to get involved to the last consequence.

While the attention is put more in how to be rich or how to keep paying for my mortgage so that I cannot loose my home and how do I keep my job, etc. Politicians keep taking everyone for a ride demanding from everyone to limit our expenditure while they 'buy' votes by overspending to pretend to be satisfying everyone, starting with themselves, naturally.

In the process, many excuses and 'solutions' are presented, from killing the unborn to the destruction of the family as the 'reasons' preventing prosperity.

But when credit companies sunk in the result of their own greed, they are bailed so that the rules are not changed as otherwise politicians would have to let go so much power and so, the game is on.

Only the people can bring these illusionists back to reality and force them to live in the real world, the one everyone else is forced to inhabit and suffer on.

Governments are created or formed by the people and not the other way around.

  • 5 votes
Reply#6 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:04 AM EDT
Adrian Thorn

"Small and limited government is the answer; to reduce if not eliminate corruption and, to vote for it, the people need to get involved to the last consequence. "

Ah yes, the beloved Libertarian solution. There is a fire in the house, shut the door and pray it doesn't spread.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:35 PM EDT
CesarFS

And let's hide behind that libertarian thing.

Small government does not mean under stress of imagination 'no government' but a government that responds to the people and works for the people serving the people.

You don't need to give away freedom to get the fire department to help you putting away the fire in your house.

If power corrupt absolute power corrupots absolutely.

Freedom comes ,with responsibility and if we surrender that responsibility to any level of government, then we are surrendering our freedom because when one goes the other ones with it.

The only way governments can help the economy is by staying as far away from it as possible because the government is part of the problem. The government cannot create but unproductive jobs, that are a burden to the markets. Jobs can only be created in a healthy economy protected from government corruption. That is why the government must be limited and small, to protect you and I from their incompetency.

    #6.2 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:04 PM EDT
    Adrian Thorn

    "Small government does not mean under stress of imagination 'no government' but a government that responds to the people and works for the people serving the people."

    There is nothing about government that fundamentally necessitates that it be small in order for it to funcution well and obey orders. Rather than looking for actual solutions to our problems, Libertarians (and by Libertarians I might Righties, there are plenty of non-Right Libertarians who do have legitimate ways of addressing corruption) declare government corruption an inevitability and try to "contain the fire".

    "If power corrupt absolute power corrupots absolutely."

    You're right ABSOLUTE power corrupts absolutely. I'm not giving my government absolute power, I'm giving it power, therefore it will not absolutely become corrupt.

    "Freedom comes ,with responsibility and if we surrender that responsibility to any level of government, then we are surrendering our freedom because when one goes the other ones with it."

    Freedom comes with responsibilities, and one of those responibilities is insuring your government works correctly, not pissing and moaning about big government and trying to reduce that responsibility by shrinking your government.

    "The only way governments can help the economy is by staying as far away from it as possible because the government is part of the problem."

    Governments are part of the problem, but the other part of the problem is the part Righties do nothing to address. They admit our politicans are bought and sold by private corporations, but when anyone suggests that anything should be done about corporate abuses, we get some stupid lecture in the free market. If the government @!$%#s us out of our money, Libertarians throw a temper tantrum, if the private sector @!$%#s us out of our money, Libertarians rally en masse to protect corporate interests.

    "that are a burden to the markets."

    If the purpose of the government is to serve the people, and if the government is to serve the market, then logically you're suggesting we should serve the market. Right. You might think that we shouldn't "burden" people like Bernie Maddoff, I don't.

    "That is why the government must be limited and small, to protect you and I from their incompetency."

    Wrong. If our government is the product of "We the People", then any incompetency in government is the result of our own incompetency. You either, like me, accept that our democracy is a sham or you accept that we've failed to live up our responsibilities by picking bad politicans. In either case, its a failure of the people, not the government. Rather than solving an incompetent government, we've tried to minimize the damage. The fire is kept in the closet, and we're hoping like hell the whole house doesn't go up in flame.

    • 3 votes
    #6.3 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT
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    Augur Well

    Citizen, I'm glad to see you took up my torch and wrote this article, clearly one facet of the issue of addressing the root of discontent, corruption. imho, of course. And I'm glad you didn't ask me! At the very least, because your tenure here on the vine clearly offers much more exposure and the potential for a much wider audience than mine would have.

    I agree with the idea of a petition movement, the more signatories the better.

    Any other thoughts still remain on another thread.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#7 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT
    Citizen Kane-473667

    Augur Well,

    Believe me when I say this reform movement is well beyond the torch stage. There are many bloggers who are very vociferous when it comes to "what" must be done. I hope you can help us with the "how" part. Given the current partisan bickering constantly being stirred by Congress to foster and enforce the "us" and "them" politics in hopes of keeping "us" from focusing on "them" which is where the real problem lies, we as a nation, must agree to put aside our petty differences long enough to straighten out the mess we call government on all levels.

    P.S. Congrats on the cherry toms, I have 6 tom plants (not cherry) myself that are doing fairly well. Good thing my family loves them!

    • 4 votes
    #7.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 4:41 PM EDT
    Augur Well

    Exactly. The only tool we really do have is as many as possible join together to rise above the divisions. Divide and (keep) conquered.

    And thanks on the toms. They're doing ok, but my Better Boys and Beefsteaks are sick. Not enough warm muggy nights around here. I've a lot of toms, but all are half what they should be, and still green. But my jalapenos are going great, as are my wax beans. Already froze a couple of batches.

    And don't worry, I'm not going anywhere. Besides, the marine and I have already chatted. I think he'll get a grin out of what I posted over there! (I love being a smart ass to them! It's just one thing this old sailor lives for!) *grin*!

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:52 PM EDT
    PenniD

    Augur Well, you devil! Baiting a Marine? Shame.

    • 3 votes
    #7.3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:01 PM EDT
    Augur Well

    Who, me?! Nah, just a little "inter service communication"! *grin*!

    (as we sometimes referred to the "discussions" we all used to have now and then!) *grin*!

    • 3 votes
    #7.4 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
    Vineacious

    Well, we all know the Marines are a Department of the Navy.....The Men's Department!

    Semper Fi!

    • 4 votes
    #7.5 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:40 PM EDT
    PenniD

    Score one for the Marines. LOL

    • 3 votes
    #7.6 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
    Augur Well

    Oh, all right, if you wanna play.....

    M-My

    A-Ass

    R-Rides

    I-In

    N-Navy

    E-Equipment

    and now that we're both completely off Citizen's thread, let's not.

    • 3 votes
    #7.7 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:05 PM EDT
    jscusmc69

    ROFLMAO----Ok Augur Damm the TOMS full processing ahead!!!!

    Thanks vine and Semper Fi and a friends req. on the way!!

    AUGUR---WE marines COULD walk on water but we would be to tired to fight---example-Iran---THATS why we need the Navy---OUR BUS DRIVERS!!

    Here's another OFF topic---I apologize Citizen---HUMMM NO I DON'T----

    *************************************************************

    Joke

    Two SWABBIE'S were driving across country on leave. They come to a Marine Corps base and decide to visit. They approach the gate and the Marine Guard walks up to the driver's window, and taps on it with his nightstick. The driver rolls down the window, and the Marine smacks him in the head with the stick.

    The driver says, Why'd you do that?

    The Marine says, You're on a United States Marine Corps Base, son. When I come up to your car, you'll have your ID card ready.

    Driver says, I'm sorry, We're in the NAVY, and we didn't know You Marines are different.

    The Marine examines the I.D. card and gives it back to the driver.

    The Marine walks around to the passenger side and taps on the window. The passenger rolls his window down, and the Marine smacks him with the nightstick.

    The passenger says, What'd you do that for?

    The Marine says, Just making your wishes come true.

    The passenger says, Huh?

    The Marine says, I know that as soon as you pull away you're gonna say, 'I wish that sucker would've tried that **** with me!'

    ************************************************************

    "So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bast*rds won't get away this time!"
    --CHESTY PULLER, USMC

    "Courage is endurance for one moment more..."
    Unknown Marine Second Lieutenant in Vietnam

    "I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I am pleading with you with tears in my eyes: If you fvck with me, I'll kill you all."
    Marine General James Mattis, to Iraqi tribal leaders

    Freedom is Not Free But a US MARINE will pay most of your share." ~ Ned Dolan

    Semper FI----and I have plenty more quotes!!

    • 1 vote
    #7.8 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 2:59 PM EDT
    jscusmc69

    I was going to post this in another article where it also was addressed but instead I will put it here.

    The question was raised there as here about the --------------"horrifying solution"..PenniD Citizen Kane-----# 4.2 and Augur in another article by PenniD-----the Horror's of war.

    Friends there is NOTHING on the face of this planet,taught in schools or even in boot camps---Marine,Navy,Army,Air Force that COULD ever prepare ANYONE for .....THE gut wrenching,head splitting,eye ball popping ...........SMELL,SIGHTS,SOUNDS or FEELINGS.....of ANY Fire-Fight OR battlefield NOW or in the past.

    I could go into detail but I fear many could not handle it.

    Something I rarely ever talk about BECAUSE if YOU haven't been there---AUGUR said this, I've said this Kenny and many others have said this----YOU can't AND won't understand. The phrase..."War is HELL" is an understatement. Many might think AND some have said I am for many things...SOME here have really miss-understood many of my posts(names with held to protect the guilty). I do not advocate the use of weapons HOWEVER I don't ever take off the table what might have to be and as I said in post #4.4-----------

    Any WAR is hell and a horror----to many innocents always get hurt or killed----HOWEVER---I would ask this---"HOW many AMERICAN'S would/are willing to fight for our Country,Constitution,RIGHTS and way of life..... that THIS COUNTRY was founded on and for.

    I am being realistic about many things----I also said that the likely hood of someone in the GOVERNMENT pushing a situation so that Martial Law could be imposed---IS in all likely highly probable--to many facts point to this.

    Posts #6 to 6.3 all make very good points I would add it is not just a one party problem it is both parties. AND the problem of ALL AMERICANS.

    "I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."
    Thomas Jefferson

    "We have been imposed on so often that it is understandable how some would think that we had reached the point where we would stand for anything."
    -Thomas Sowell

    I didn't like LBJ but he was right with this----------------------

    You do not examine legislation in the light of the benefits it will convey if properly administered, but in the light of the wrongs it would do and the harms it would cause if improperly administered." -- Lyndon B. Johnson

    "It is not the fact of liberty but the way in which liberty is exercised that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives." -- Dorothy Thompson (1894-1961)

    You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for independence. - Charles Austin Beard

    • 1 vote
    #7.9 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 4:12 PM EDT
    Reply
    Ozark Mountain Sage

    "The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all."
    John F. Kennedy

    • 4 votes
    Reply#8 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
    Adrian Thorn

    Which is why let the wealthy elite pick our candidates for us.

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 6:11 PM EDT
    Ozark Mountain Sage

    Adrian Thorn, if I may.

    The unfounded fear one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.

    • 1 vote
    #8.2 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:59 PM EDT
    Adrian Thorn

    Unfounded? You know, I don't seem to remember being asked if I wanted Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, or John Edwards as the representative of the democratic party. I remember getting a slip in the mail where there names were already there and I either picked one of them or my vote was irrelevent. You've made your own point quite nicely. "The ignorance of one voter is a democracy impairs the security of all."

    • 3 votes
    #8.3 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:13 PM EDT
    DarthVSchw

    Yeah, if given a choice of someone else I probably would have took it. We were for Wesley Clark back in the day.

    The DFL here is so full of themselves, that they spend spend spend on only a handful of candidates, and give nothing more than lip service to candidates who could really use the money. They deserve to implode in my opinion.

    • 1 vote
    #8.4 - Tue Aug 4, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
    Reply
    US Citizen-658112

    I've long held that the voting process and everything associated with it is corrupt. The higher up one goes, the less likely it is that anyone but the two big parties picked the candidates. So where's the people's choice?

    The country is bankrupt, the government is spending like crazy to "fix it", and the buck has to stop somewhere. And it probably won't be in the government.

    When the situation gets to where there's no food on the table, no jobs to be had, and the government is the only place left where people can afford to live, what happens next? Will the government use the military to keep itself in power? Will it become beholden to a foreign power to keep itself solvent?

    And as a final comment: When the state votes get reported to the national government, who's there to confirm the numbers are real? If they just change the numbers at that point, who would know?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:34 PM EDT
    Citizen Kane-473667

    Once they are reported to the national level whats to say they remain what was reported? We are given results as lump sums not breakdowns.

    • 1 vote
    #9.1 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:44 PM EDT
    Reply
    jscusmc69

    1825 K street Washington DC.......anyone know what OR who is at this address?????

    You know all those Left-wing nuts,Demorat liperals who are trying to infer that the "HECKLERS" are a set up...well they aren't. Has anyone sen the Peolsi speech----calling AMERICANS Swastika carrying plants ? OR some of the other Democratic/WHITE HOUSE crap? Nothing like scanning the "Slobbering News Media" for dis-information!!!

    I wonder if ALL these AMERICANS are plants as ALL here on news vine are trying to say....HERE'S a question for you --------"WHERE are ALL the DEMOCRAT SUPPORTERS to OUT shout the supposed PLANTS"------Well the silence is deafening WHEN you ask this question.

    AND the reason is ALL the DEMOCRATS are in the TOWN HALL meetings THEY are the ones who ARE being LOUD,Interruptive and otherwise PISSED OFF!! These are DEM TOWN meetings!!

    OH ya and the address at the top----IT is a SOROS agency address--a group in place to plan,plot or other wise attempt to DISCREDIT all these POOR MISS-GUIDED AMERICANS who are NOW against many on the Obama and companies AGENDA----A funded by SORO'S,RUN by SORO'S group---and Rahm-Sh*t is the tie to Obama!

    Ya ya all voted for Obama BUT you got Soro's!! Obamas new mantra should be NO HOPE OR CHANGE for the American people WE WON and WILL SHOVE what ever we want DOWN your THROATS!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/06/AR2007050600892.html

    I put this link here for S&Giggles!!

    http://romanticpoet.wordpress.com/2009/06/22/how-many-organizations-can-operate-from-this-one-address1825-k-st-nw-suite-210-washingtond-c-20006-here-are-just-a-few-look/

      Reply#10 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
      Citizen Kane-473667

      from the second link:

      Will the FBI, the IRS even investigate ACORN?

      Right after Monkeys fly out of my butt...

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      #10.1 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:03 PM EDT
      jscusmc69

      Fire-Storm a commin Citizen!!! Several LIPERAL nests(articles ) here on NV have just got the same post from me!

      Monkeys---I thought it was PIGS----OOPS they did fly in the SPENDULOUS PORK PACKAGES from Obama and CLowns!! BUT not out of YOUR BUTT---Maybe Obamas or Pelosi or Boxer

      • 2 votes
      #10.2 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
      Citizen Kane-473667

      Yes I caught that post on the K Street mob on a couple of them but being that you are very outspoken against this erosion of our rights and the impending consequences if it is not halted, do not be surprised if the post is called a CoH infraction and you get suspended. What better way to shut us up? I'm getting less-than-veiled threats already. Maybe the jackboots are getting ready to come visit me? I hope they wear the suits and dark glasses instead of bringing the SWAT team gear. I'm trying to keep up a respectable look for my neighbors you know! :o)

      • 2 votes
      #10.3 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 10:18 PM EDT
      jscusmc69

      ROFLMAO-----And just what would I be fracturing? An AGENDA maybe?

      I have a THREAT FILE in MY email and it is there for a reason---IF I get suspended I promise this I will publish them AND the other info I have about a MSNBC owned operation NOT only allover the Internet but in some major Media---I already have sent several letters and emails to ---news!!

      Myself I don't care how they come----better be right and they should expect this---I may not make it but MANY of them won't either!!

      • 2 votes
      #10.4 - Wed Aug 5, 2009 11:15 PM EDT
      Citizen Kane-473667

      Some Battles are won on body counts.....

      • 2 votes
      #10.5 - Thu Aug 6, 2009 6:07 AM EDT
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